06th Jan 2009
Christian, where did my morals come from?
All my friends were atheists. God or gods never even were a topic.
The first time that I met a Christian was 10 years ago. I was 17 back then. But already before that I had never cheated, really lied, stolen, murdered or whatever. I started my first charity project at the age of 15.
Where does all that come from? There are only two options in my opinion:
If God has programmed those morals somehow in my brain, there is no need to give us 10 commandments. I already knew them, obviously.
Or God has nothing to do with my morals.
So, you can choose which question to answer:
-Why did God give me 10 commandments, if they're already printed in my brains?
or
-What caused my morals, because obviously God has nothing to do with them?
How dare God implant us with the Ten Commandments and then have the audacity to make it in tangible form!! What was He thinking?!!
where are those socks?...........hmmmmm..I wish someone would remind me where I put them!
Genuine Love
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European society has a high regard for tradition and conformity. It's difficult for Americans to understand the strength of the bonds that society has on the young there and difficult for Europeans to understand the lack of such in the US.
Undoubtedly your behavior is controlled by feelings that were instilled into you from infancy. You were praised and accepted when you behaved appropriately and acceptance withheld with you didn't behave. As you got older, you didn't need direct praise because you could just imagine it. The good feelings you get from helping someone and the bad feelings you get when you are dishonest are the result of training; much as we would train a rat. Essentially you are trained in how to feel and then you can do what you feel like doing. Your society is constantly watching your behavior and in doing so, controls your behavior.
But a moral foundation entirely founded on feelings instilled by society is a poor foundation. Your neighbor, Germany, showed how quickly a strong leader could alter feelings which in turn, drastically altered morality. Probably all countries have such examples.
Christianity views morality sort of like a byproduct. The focus is entirely on seeking God and a relationship with Him. If God is our father and we love Him, we will naturally love others because they are brothers and sisters.
No Hollanders are actually peaceful and fairly tolerant. If it copied from a Christian culture, it wouldn't.
Where it comes from..... God... or that was the way we have evolved I don't know. But I do know that something makes us the way we are, I just can't explain it!
How many times have you been involved in a church activity, volunteering, or if you have children - Little League or the PTA? Maybe you've donated your time to worthy causes, and you've received absolutely no monetary or material income. Let me ask you, why did you invest any of your precious time without financial reward? You know the answer; you did this because you received something in return that told you that you were part of something meaningful. You were contributing, giving at a higher level. That's psychic income, and it's the most important income you'll ever receive.
Every single one of us has a deep need to contribute, to give something back, to be part of something meaningful, and that's how you and I are going to define our psychic income. Your psychic income is the most important income you will ever, ever receive.
Money is nothing more than a neutral tool. It's like a knife; you can use it to cut bread or turn it into a weapon. The tool is neither good nor bad. It just is. And it's only defined by the intention of the user. For this reason, let's talk about how we can actually create a monetary income that allows our psychic income to flourish. I'm going to suggest that you create enough money in your life so that you don't have to worry about it. When money becomes a non-issue, you're able to put your primary focus on the other key areas of life - your relationships, your intellect, your health, and your spiritual life. Sound good?
Our hunting and gathering pre neolithic ancestors lived in egalitarian bands for 10's of thousands of years these people had a much higher value for human life than later social models.
The introduction of materialism, ownership, and hierarchy by so called civilized society brought with it the need for control of the mass so that the would accept the unfair treatment of the ruling class.
Morals are part of human nature, it is the system which is the evil bringer.
As to the 10 commandments you can knock two of them on the head for a start.
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The first is the rantings of a paranoid god!
And what does working on the Saturday have to do with morality?
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the 10 C's is not only Christian.
And those words of C.S. Lewis in the Quote above are an obvious falsehood and an insult to all non Christians.
For the person below me, Maybe if some people didn't keep waving the Christian banner while insulting those who believe differently to them, non of this pro con Christian thing would be happening.
I agree that we should all live together in peace, but the truth is the truth and If one can not state it without getting personally insulted.
Then there is something seriously wrong!
Oh and the thing about most serial killers having damaged brains is an urban myth you should do some reading up on FBI profiling for the facts.
They are usually a result of up bringing, but that's a whole other question.
Upbtringing.
sympathy + empathy.
And your morals come from influence in society and America that largely acknowledges God as being the basis of all things, "good" and satan of all things "evil". You cannot go anywhere without being influenced by a God you do not believe in. God is even printed on your currency, "In God we trust",(assuming you live in the USA). One thing I do not understand is how you can say you do not believe in a God when you make use of things that honor God, and promote His existence. Anyways back to the subject, your morals are influenced by society, what your brain consumes around you makes you knowledgeable about what is "right" and "wrong", "good" or "bad".
The ten commandments express not only the Maker's positive will, but the voice of nature as well--the laws which govern our being and are written more or less clearly in every human heart. The necessity of the written law is explained by the obscuring of the unwritten in men's souls by sin. And also to elucidate the Makers concern of his creations' right conduct. In other words, they are written to show God's loving concern that his creation act uprightly and to make clear the mandates of the Divine Will for those whom do not, by the fall of man (original sin), have such a moral code or are lacking the fullness of it. These Divine mandates are regarded as binding on every human creature, and their violation, with sufficient reflection and consent of the will, if the matter be grave, is considered a grievous or mortal offense against God. They have always been esteemed as the most precious rules of life and are the basis of all Christian legislation.
Now, one may object concerning the evolutionary necessity of morals (that morality is derived from an evolutionary basis). However, providing a evolutionary/genetic explanation for these propensities neither makes them go away, nor does it make them unintentional or random (in the sense of the Creator's intent).
The ten commandments are examples of what the law of love leads us to conclude about how to act in specific circumstances. One cannot commit to God and reject the means needed to attain union with Him. God IS love, and so the means of union are let that love flow through us each day.
The reconciliation of these two projections of ethics comes in reflecting on the nature of Love. Love (agape, caritas) consists in willing the good of the beloved. How do we know that good? By reflecting on our own nature and applying what we learn analogically and empathetically. ("Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.")
And C.S. Lewis reiterates:
"For example, some people wrote to me saying, "Isn't what you call the Moral Law simply our herd instinct and hasn't it been developed just like all our other instincts?" Now I do not
deny that we may have a herd instinct: but that is not what I
mean by the Moral Law. We all know what it feels like to be prompted by instinct-by mother love, or sexual instinct, or the instinct for food. It means that you feel a strong want or desire to act in a certain way. And, of course, we sometimes do feel just that sort of desire to help another person: and no doubt that desire is due to the herd instinct. But feeling a desire to help is quite different from feeling that you ought to help whether you want to or not. Supposing you hear a cry for help from a man in danger. You will probably feel two desires-one a desire to give help (due to your herd instinct), the other a desire to keep out of danger (due to the instinct for self-preservation). But you will find inside you, in addition to these two impulses, a third thing which tells you that you ought to follow the impulse to help, and suppress the impulse to run away. Now this thing that judges between two instincts, that decides which should be encouraged, cannot itself be either of them. You might as well say that the sheet of music which tells you, at a given moment, to play one note on the piano and not another, is itself one of the notes on the keyboard. The Moral Law tells us the tune we have to play: our instincts are merely the keys." - Mere Christianity
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